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that's the concern here from the fbi's standpoint. the new york times reporting that the house and senate intel committees didn't know about it until this week, though they should be briefed on this type of thing. it's a major problem. also, i mean, he has a detail, he's the cia chief. if he was messing around, didn't the detail know about it? >> greta: unless it predated his timive that's tru. we tonight know. >> what is the role of the timing here? obviously, this was going on well before the election. have you the election going on. you have republicans -- some of whom wanted to make more political issue out of benghazi and then you had this -- potentially explosive development going on. why did we find out about it immediately after the election? want before? >> greta: how about senator dianne feinstein, in theic chair of the senate select committee on intel in she said that the president shouldn't have accepted the resignation. >> yeah, look, i think that's crazy. first of all, the message it would send, if people knew what he wa
that's the concern here from the fbi's standpoint. the new york times reporting that the house and senate intel committees didn't know about it until this week, though they should be briefed on this type of thing. it's a major problem. also, i mean, he has a detail, he's the cia chief. if he was messing around, didn't the detail know about it? >> greta: unless it predated his timive that's tru. we tonight know. >> what is the role of the timing here? obviously, this was going on...
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the fbi is also investigating. general petraeus to me -- i feel heartbroken about this -- is and always will be a truly exception american hero. he is like eisenhower. eisenhower had an affair also and he didn't resign. the idea that david petraeus can be blackmailed because he has a woman friend is totally ridiculous. this man -- this man has put his life at risk for his country over and over again. somebody's going to come to him and say, you better give us secrets or i'm going to tell your wife you have a girlfriend. at some pointo have to grow up. half our presidents would have had to resign over this. >> greta: let me play devil's advocate, if he is vulnerable enough to want to hide something, the reason why you tell all in these investigations, when you get the job, you want to disclose them is so that you don't become material for blackmail. >> right. >> greta: there is also the added problem, that as a man of his great stature tdoes send a message to others in the military about -- about honor, trust and di
the fbi is also investigating. general petraeus to me -- i feel heartbroken about this -- is and always will be a truly exception american hero. he is like eisenhower. eisenhower had an affair also and he didn't resign. the idea that david petraeus can be blackmailed because he has a woman friend is totally ridiculous. this man -- this man has put his life at risk for his country over and over again. somebody's going to come to him and say, you better give us secrets or i'm going to tell your...
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as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private? >> well, i believe that the standard has to be, does this have an impact on our national security? so far, we haven't seen anything that gives evidence of that. we have another balance that we have to strike, our founders had to do it, the beginning of our country, and we still do, except now with communication the way it is in a different way. and that's a balance between security and liberty. and so how do you make that balance? should congress and the president be informed of hearsay? i don't think so. what is triggered about informing the congress in any event, just talking about congress, does
as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private?...
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[laughter] cia director resigns after the fbi uncovers e-mails showing that general david petraeus had an extramarital affair with his biographer, paula broadwell, a married mother of two. talk about unlimited access. the general was up on capitol hill talking about the benghazi hearings as we were recording this program, so we don't know what he said yet. >> we are safer because of the work that gave petraeus has main hope right now is that he and his family are able to move on and this ends up being a single side note on what has otherwise been an extraordinary career. >> extraordinary career. david petraeus is a highly decorated four-star army general with a ph.d. from princeton university. roger, you have been around for awhile. how does a smart guy like that get into a mess like this? >> i think you said it, let's get to the sex. he is america's spymaster, aside from all the other degrees and all that. he is running the cia. but he decides to conduct an affair through a gmail account, because, gosh, nobody can get access to that except maybe any 12-year-old in america. and his par
[laughter] cia director resigns after the fbi uncovers e-mails showing that general david petraeus had an extramarital affair with his biographer, paula broadwell, a married mother of two. talk about unlimited access. the general was up on capitol hill talking about the benghazi hearings as we were recording this program, so we don't know what he said yet. >> we are safer because of the work that gave petraeus has main hope right now is that he and his family are able to move on and this...
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what that would be.
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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we have learned there was an fbi investigation underway. i think there are a number of questions raised, including, you know, at what point did the director of the fbi become aware of this? why was this just announced today? talk about your perspective on the implication, broadly speaking on our nation's intelligence efforts and the benghazi investigation? >> well, first of all, it's sad fall from grace. i feel for his wife. nobody should have to go through that. but this is highly suspicious, in its timing t. comes days after an election, a very important election. it comes days before he's set to testify before the house intelligence committee. and it really begs the question of what did the fbi know? and when did they know it? how long did they sit on that information? general petraeus briefed the senate about what happened in benghazi. did he have this looming over his head? what -- what is the real timing here, liz? that's the real question that i think going forward is so imperative that we get to the bottom of. >> also, the issue, as
we have learned there was an fbi investigation underway. i think there are a number of questions raised, including, you know, at what point did the director of the fbi become aware of this? why was this just announced today? talk about your perspective on the implication, broadly speaking on our nation's intelligence efforts and the benghazi investigation? >> well, first of all, it's sad fall from grace. i feel for his wife. nobody should have to go through that. but this is highly...
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i wish them the best at this difficult time. >> as for the fbi investigation, in the end fbi agents did not find evidence of criminal activity. >> thank you very much. general petraeus was one of the first to brief law makers followinglet u.s. mission in libya. katherine herage has the latest. >> in the white house, jay carny pushed back on allegations that the administration was not forth coming on the benghazi attack. specifically what happened at 5:00 in the white whoit. >> the president was made aware of the developments throughout the evening and days ensuing and i am not what your question is specifically. >> they are not independent investigation. carny pointed to the review and public time line that laid out military response and a similar briefing by intelligence officials emergency response. >> next week they are scheduled with state department patrick kennedy who is charged with overseeing staff. and eric bonswell who is charged with security in benghazi. and while they emphasizes what was known in benghazi. all will be close except one. that was congress' call. >> my underst
i wish them the best at this difficult time. >> as for the fbi investigation, in the end fbi agents did not find evidence of criminal activity. >> thank you very much. general petraeus was one of the first to brief law makers followinglet u.s. mission in libya. katherine herage has the latest. >> in the white house, jay carny pushed back on allegations that the administration was not forth coming on the benghazi attack. specifically what happened at 5:00 in the white whoit....
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we had the fbi and i believe the national center for counterterrorism also giving briefings. >> paul: that's right. >> saying this. why was general petraeus's testimony then so at odds with other parts of the community? >> but does this, would this give-- what does it mean for, say, susan rice and the administration then? is this, does this help them politically by shielding them or does petraeus here saying i thought it was a terrorist attack, does that mean this puts, for example, susan rice's statements more up to scrutiny? >> well, i think answers the fundamental question, did they deliberately mislead on this case for political reasons because they were driving the narrative that al-qaeda had been decimated and the war, war was receding or a question of incompetence. neither of those two things is good for the administration although it's after the election, so, they can get the consequences. >> let's take a look at the president talking about susan rice, the u.n. ambassador who many think he will nominate to succeed hillary clinton as secretary of state. >> for them to go after
we had the fbi and i believe the national center for counterterrorism also giving briefings. >> paul: that's right. >> saying this. why was general petraeus's testimony then so at odds with other parts of the community? >> but does this, would this give-- what does it mean for, say, susan rice and the administration then? is this, does this help them politically by shielding them or does petraeus here saying i thought it was a terrorist attack, does that mean this puts, for...
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>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things i've tried to do, chris, is bring both sides together. so, my vice chairman saxby chambliss and i share material and work together and that is a very important concept. with neither of us knowing ahead of time, all of this, obviously, comes as a big shock. and we are very much able to keep things in a classified setting, at least if you know you can begin to think and then to plan and, of course we have not had that opportunity. we begin our hearings on thursday. this is an inquiry, it's not a single hearing. there will be many different aspects of it. and, you know, o
>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things...
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but that's what we learned about the fbi's piece in this. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason that this had to happen today and with some urgency it was going to become widely known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we have spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a round about link into this. but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi investigation into this woman as he's announcing his extramarital affairs. the timing piece of it, while this fbi investigation why have been a factor, we haven't been told that it was thee factor that led him to make the announcement today. >> absent the investigation, had that not happened shs the fact of the affair, would that be dangerous enough to somebody in the job as being head of the cia that that would force a resignation because of the threat of blackmail or anything else? >> we did speak to law enforcement officials. they said that blackmail is a concern whenever you have this kind of conversation. whenever you have the cia directo
but that's what we learned about the fbi's piece in this. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason that this had to happen today and with some urgency it was going to become widely known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we have spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a round about link into this. but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi investigation into this...
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after the fbi had been there. we believe they are valid. and thus far the state department has not eve acknowledge them. neil: that when alway one alwaya little strange to me. they're too stupid, left something of themselves behind, what do you think was going on? >> it was trouble some four weeks they could not get in there, and they were only in their evidently for a few hours. here we have some additional information that may shed light on what happened but did it happen. the state department obama administration is just not provided the document. we're doing investigation, congress will do an investigation. we deserve to have that information to get to the bottom of it. neil: with all these folks coming out, some going on the record, most off the record, these organizations saying we were trying to warn the administration, is almost as if they feel horribly guilty about what happened but they want to exonerate themselves to say we did everything we could do and we were ignored. is that the gist of it? >> if you had to summarize it, yes.
after the fbi had been there. we believe they are valid. and thus far the state department has not eve acknowledge them. neil: that when alway one alwaya little strange to me. they're too stupid, left something of themselves behind, what do you think was going on? >> it was trouble some four weeks they could not get in there, and they were only in their evidently for a few hours. here we have some additional information that may shed light on what happened but did it happen. the state...
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the fbi believes the suspect has executed a string of bank robberies in california and washington armed with an assault rifle. a $20,000 reward is offered for information leading to an arrest. >>> finally, a female air force pilot is breaking more than the sound barrier with her accomplishments. major carolinen sen joined the famed thunder birds. she's been flying over 17 years and hopes to inspire the next generation of air force airman. bet she will. >>> to sports, nfl thursday night football. indy, jacksonville. andrew luck scored two touchdowns on the ground against the jaguars and the indy defense came up big in a 27-10 win. >>> to college football, number 10 florida state made a dramatic fourth quarter comeback with under a minute to go scoring on a 39-yard touchdown pass and the seminoles won a squeaker over virginia tech, 28-22. >>> just ahead, bond is back. we're real excited about that. and a new take on an old president. >>> plus, "twilight" mania is in full swing. >>> the often forgotten victims of a hurricane disaster get a big boost after hurricane sandy. you're watching "
the fbi believes the suspect has executed a string of bank robberies in california and washington armed with an assault rifle. a $20,000 reward is offered for information leading to an arrest. >>> finally, a female air force pilot is breaking more than the sound barrier with her accomplishments. major carolinen sen joined the famed thunder birds. she's been flying over 17 years and hopes to inspire the next generation of air force airman. bet she will. >>> to sports, nfl...
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how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a general who has done so much for this nation. i think this showed what kind of a man he was that he did his soul searching, but he handed in his resignation because that's what we're trained to do and people should take a lesson on that. >> joe, good to have you with us on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of lay yufs. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the reelection of our first african-american president. msnbc politica
how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a...
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was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. you think we will be able to get a solution, these things, the president will stand up and leave in the two partiesill come together, embrace higher taxes and less spending? >> yes, i do. i really beliive in this country. labeling the country the brightest spot in the world two weeks ago. something has to be done, this is his moment to leave. >> i hope you are right. lou: do you agree or just hoping? >> i am in the hoping cegory. i have not seen any indication in that, any indication of embracing. neil: saying rep
was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff....
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but that's what it is. >> let's talk about the fbi. by law they are supposed to inform your committee about any development of significance to this committee. that barely passed this fresh hold. is it true you have received no advance word of this and are you going to investigate the fbi's decision not to tell you an investigation had been going on for at least weeks? >> the answer is yes and yes. we seed no advance notice. it was like a lightening bolt. the way i found out i came back to washington thursday night. the staff director told me to call from press about this. i called david petraeus. as a matter of fact, i had had an appointment with him at 3:00 that afternoon. that was canceled and so then when these questions came up i obviously took action myself to try to find out and then informed my vice-chairman and i talked to the director twice. this is very hard stuff. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i t
but that's what it is. >> let's talk about the fbi. by law they are supposed to inform your committee about any development of significance to this committee. that barely passed this fresh hold. is it true you have received no advance word of this and are you going to investigate the fbi's decision not to tell you an investigation had been going on for at least weeks? >> the answer is yes and yes. we seed no advance notice. it was like a lightening bolt. the way i found out i came...
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as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know, a committee to look at this thing and make the determination on what the narrative was. the narrative was wrong. and why that's important, this isn't just about parsing words and who was right. there was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. that's my concern. and we need to say, hey, we need to figure out how that happened, and let's make sure that doesn't happen again. >> did people die because we didn't protect them adequately? is that the bottom line here? >> david, we gave the
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the informant, fbi informant infiltrated these four men and helped the fbi bring them down. throughout the entire document, it says the informant tried to talk the men out of jihad. but they said they wanted to go to a much better place, so to speak. martha: thank you very much, adam housley. bill: day number two, you feeling better? we are in our new digs. i was a little off kilter yesterday. you will love all the new things we have in this studio. bill: they worked on this thing for two months before the election came around. weeks left to reach a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. but the president and the house minority leader nancy pelosi on the same page? martha: a top lawmaker making serious charges against the consulate attack in libya. how he's saying two different time lines don't quite match up. bill: house intelligence head michael rogers says the time line released on the cia talking points conflicts with testimony given by the director of national intelligence. this as senator chuck grassley presses the defendants justice and the fbi on their roles in david pe
the informant, fbi informant infiltrated these four men and helped the fbi bring them down. throughout the entire document, it says the informant tried to talk the men out of jihad. but they said they wanted to go to a much better place, so to speak. martha: thank you very much, adam housley. bill: day number two, you feeling better? we are in our new digs. i was a little off kilter yesterday. you will love all the new things we have in this studio. bill: they worked on this thing for two...
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>> and susan, you said we don't know how long the fbi was investigating. do we know the obama administration knew about this before the election? >> no, but wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that. that really is a burning question. it's just days after the election and something like this comes out. but clearly, something like this had been going on for a while. it wasn't -- you know, it's not likely that a couple days after the election, general petraeus had sort of a crisis of conscience and decided this is the time now for me to come clean on everything. which also makes you wonder, did other people know about this, and was there a possibility they could have used this against him or to blackmail him in any way? that would have spoken directly to his ability to hold a security clearance and protect those secrets as well, anderson, so lots of unanswered questions, but i'm told more will be coming out in the coming days. >> i guess oert questithe other did the administration, if they did know about it, decide not to let this be announced before t
>> and susan, you said we don't know how long the fbi was investigating. do we know the obama administration knew about this before the election? >> no, but wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that. that really is a burning question. it's just days after the election and something like this comes out. but clearly, something like this had been going on for a while. it wasn't -- you know, it's not likely that a couple days after the election, general petraeus had sort of a...